html_url,issue_url,id,node_id,user,user_label,created_at,updated_at,author_association,body,reactions,issue,issue_label,performed_via_github_app
https://github.com/simonw/datasette/issues/1384#issuecomment-1066222323,https://api.github.com/repos/simonw/datasette/issues/1384,1066222323,IC_kwDOBm6k_c4_jULz,2670795,brandonrobertz,2022-03-14T00:36:42Z,2022-03-14T00:36:42Z,CONTRIBUTOR,"> Ah, sorry, I didn't get what you were saying you the first time. Using _metadata_local in that way makes total sense -- I agree, refreshing metadata each cell was seeming quite excessive. Now I'm on the same page! :)

All good. Report back any issues you find with this stuff. Metadata/dynamic config hasn't been tested widely outside of what I've done AFAIK. If you find a strong use case for async meta, it's going to be better to know sooner rather than later!","{""total_count"": 1, ""+1"": 1, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",930807135,Plugin hook for dynamic metadata,
https://github.com/simonw/datasette/issues/1384#issuecomment-1066169718,https://api.github.com/repos/simonw/datasette/issues/1384,1066169718,IC_kwDOBm6k_c4_jHV2,2670795,brandonrobertz,2022-03-13T19:48:49Z,2022-03-13T19:48:49Z,CONTRIBUTOR,"> For my reference, did you include a `render_cell` plugin calling `get_metadata` in those tests?

You shouldn't need to do this, as I mentioned previously. The code inside `render_cell` hook already has access to the most recently sync'd metadata via `datasette._metadata_local`. Refreshing the metadata for every cell seems ... excessive.","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",930807135,Plugin hook for dynamic metadata,
https://github.com/simonw/datasette/issues/1384#issuecomment-1066006292,https://api.github.com/repos/simonw/datasette/issues/1384,1066006292,IC_kwDOBm6k_c4_ifcU,2670795,brandonrobertz,2022-03-13T02:09:44Z,2022-03-13T02:09:44Z,CONTRIBUTOR,"> If I'm understanding your plugin code correctly, you query the db using the sync handle every time `get_metdata` is called, right? Won't this become a pretty big bottleneck if a hook into `render_cell` is trying to read metadata / plugin config?

Reading from sqlite DBs is pretty quick and I didn't notice significant performance issues when I was benchmarking. I tested on very large Datasette deployments (hundreds of DBs, millions of rows). See [""Many small queries are efficient in sqlite""](https://sqlite.org/np1queryprob.html) for more information on the rationale here. Also note that in the [datasette-live-config](https://github.com/next-LI/datasette-live-config) reference plugin, the DB connection is cached, so that eliminated most of the performance worries we had.

If you need to ensure fresh metadata is being read inside of a `render_cell` hook specifically, you don't need to do anything further! `get_metadata` gets called before `render_cell` every request, so it already has access to the synced meta. There shouldn't be a need to call `get_metadata(...)` or `metadata(...)` inside `render_cell`, you can just use `datasette._metadata_local` if you're really worried about performance.

> The plugin is close, but looks like it only grabs remote metadata, is that right? Instead what I'm wanting is to grab metadata embedded in the attached databases.

Yes correct, the datadette-remote-metadata plugin doesn't do that. But the datasette-live-config plugin does. [It supports a `__metadata` table](https://github.com/next-LI/datasette-live-config/blob/main/datasette_live_config/__init__.py#L107-L138) that, when it exists on an attached DB, gets pulled into the Datasette internal `_metadata` and is also accessible via `get_metadata`. Updating is instantaneous so there's no gotchas for users or security issues for users relying on the metadata-based permissions. Simon talked about eventually making something like this a standard feature of Datasette, but I'm not sure what the status is on that!

Good luck!","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",930807135,Plugin hook for dynamic metadata,
https://github.com/simonw/datasette/issues/1384#issuecomment-1065940779,https://api.github.com/repos/simonw/datasette/issues/1384,1065940779,IC_kwDOBm6k_c4_iPcr,2670795,brandonrobertz,2022-03-12T18:49:29Z,2022-03-12T18:50:07Z,CONTRIBUTOR,"Hello! Just wanted to chime in and note that there's a plugin to have Datasette [watch for updates to an external metadata.yaml/json and update the internal settings accordingly](https://datasette.io/plugins/datasette-remote-metadata), so I think the cache/poll use case is already covered. @khusmann If you don't need truly dynamic metadata then what you've come up with or the plugin ought to work fine.

Making the get_metadata async won't improve the situation by itself as only some of the code paths accessing metadata use that hook. The other paths use the internal metadata dict. Trying to force all paths through a async hook would have performance ramifications and making everything use the internal meta will cause problems for users that need changes to take effect immediately. This is why I came to the non-async solution as it was the path of least change within Datasette. As always, open to new ideas, etc!","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",930807135,Plugin hook for dynamic metadata,
https://github.com/simonw/datasette/issues/1384#issuecomment-869074701,https://api.github.com/repos/simonw/datasette/issues/1384,869074701,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDg2OTA3NDcwMQ==,2670795,brandonrobertz,2021-06-26T23:45:18Z,2021-06-26T23:45:37Z,CONTRIBUTOR,"> Here's where the plugin hook is called, demonstrating the `fallback=` argument:
> 
> https://github.com/simonw/datasette/blob/05a312caf3debb51aa1069939923a49e21cd2bd1/datasette/app.py#L426-L472
> 
> I'm not convinced of the use-case for passing `fallback=` to the hook here - is there a reason a plugin might care whether fallback is `True` or `False`, seeing as the `metadata()` method already respects that fallback logic on line 459?

I think you're right. I can't think of a reason why the plugin would care about the `fallback` parameter since plugins are currently mandated to return a full, global metadata dict.","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",930807135,Plugin hook for dynamic metadata,
https://github.com/simonw/datasette/issues/1384#issuecomment-869074182,https://api.github.com/repos/simonw/datasette/issues/1384,869074182,MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDg2OTA3NDE4Mg==,2670795,brandonrobertz,2021-06-26T23:37:42Z,2021-06-26T23:37:42Z,CONTRIBUTOR,"> > Hmmm... that's tricky, since one of the most obvious ways to use this hook is to load metadata from database tables using SQL queries.
> > @brandonrobertz do you have a working example of using this hook to populate metadata from database tables I can try?
> 
> Answering my own question: here's how Brandon implements it in his `datasette-live-config` plugin: https://github.com/next-LI/datasette-live-config/blob/72e335e887f1c69c54c6c2441e07148955b0fc9f/datasette_live_config/__init__.py#L50-L160
> 
> That's using a completely separate SQLite connection (actually wrapped in `sqlite-utils`) and making blocking synchronous calls to it.
> 
> This is a pragmatic solution, which works - and likely performs just fine, because SQL queries like this against a small database are so fast that not running them asynchronously isn't actually a problem.
> 
> But... it's weird. Everywhere else in Datasette land uses `await db.execute(...)` - but here's an example where users are encouraged to use blocking calls instead.

_Ideally_ this hook would be asynchronous, but when I started down that path I quickly realized how large of a change this would be, since metadata gets used synchronously across the entire Datasette codebase. (And calling async code from sync is non-trivial.)

In my live-configuration implementation I use synchronous reads using a persistent sqlite connection. This works pretty well in practice, but I agree it's limiting. My thinking around this was to go with the path of least change as `Datasette.metadata()` is a critical core function.","{""total_count"": 0, ""+1"": 0, ""-1"": 0, ""laugh"": 0, ""hooray"": 0, ""confused"": 0, ""heart"": 0, ""rocket"": 0, ""eyes"": 0}",930807135,Plugin hook for dynamic metadata,